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Frazen wrote:

that was back year 2006. the ps3 worth 600$ w/ no games to offer and a crappy PSN. but now things have change, ps3 are now 300$ w/ tons of games to offer. also the psn community are getting better w/ constant addition to psn features like voice chat, virtual world, facebook support and netflex. you don't have to pay for the online service like xbox live and if you're a perfectionist and loves detailed graphics, then ps3 has exclusives that are graphically superior and precise physics than any exclusives game from other platform. though If your into online gaming and prefer huge game libraries then xbox360 worth it. also xbox360 almost have better version of every multiplat games.

let's just face it, xbox 360 is better than the ps3, well, only in multi plat, but even so, many people play the multi plat games than the exclusive ones.

ReverzerO wrote:

i heard many rumors everywhere that xbox is better than ps3! but im still on ps because of all the games i started are from nes>ps>ps2>ps3. i dont like to ruin the story line and the feelings as well",

maybe that's what's wrong, just try playing the different console, we have that's why we judge carefully instead of directly saying ps3 is better, although ps3 is powerful, it still isn't better.

gamer4ever wrote:

maybe that's what's wrong, just try playing the different console, we have that's why we judge carefully instead of directly saying ps3 is better, although ps3 is powerful, it still isn't better.

i didn't say ps3 is better than other consoles. i tried playing different consoles but the feeling is absent unlike when i play in ps3 the feelings are there, the excitement, happiness, joy and etc. you cannot change me although you still claim that ps3 is not better than xbox360. whats the point of playing in other consoles if you're not happy anyway?

gamer4ever wrote:

how do you view it?

I view it through how far the console's hardware can do and the only games reflect the true capabilities of a console are mostly exclusives.

gamer4ever wrote:

i'm just saying many people play multi plat than exclusives, and for your thought of the architectures of the multi plat, well, personally i can see nothing wrong with it, it's the same game so it should give you the same experience, and why even bother of making a better version of it than the other one? it feels biased.
I haven't played the ps3 version of GTA4 though.

I didn't mean its wrong, what I'm saying is if multiplat games are program to make best out of the console's full potential that would surely show how superior version the ps3 could produce but the case is, they limit the things that supposedly the ps3 can do and what sad is the multiplat developers are to lazy to even introduce a better  programming approach that will work perfectly in the ps3 and instead use same approach in developing PC and xbox360 version. but i believe sooner or later, games will keep improving and xbox360 will have a problem in the future on running it and that developers may possibly shift on making the ps3 as lead platform. in fact ps3 sales is catching up xbox360 and the only thing that matters most in the developers are sales count. that may also influence the decision of the developers.

gamer4ever wrote:

well then too bad for the ps3, i can't really blame them, it's business anyway and they have to stay on track

exactly, that is the sad reality.

Last edited by Frazen (2009-11-16 15:20:02)

gamer4ever wrote:

try playing a better game

yes i will try it for sure and finish it",

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Frazen wrote:

have you not wonder why xbox almost have better version than the ps3? yeah right developers uses xbox360 as the lead platform since it has the same architecture as the PC version and porting it is no problem  while ps3 only end up the port version.  the problem is, developers tends to view both console as common which is totally wrong. you really can't develop it in traditional  3 core way. I mean ps3 has 8 cores i think and yet they only use 3 core? where are the other core? unusable..

are you sure ps3 have 8 core and they only used 3 core at this age? as of now 4 core is so powerful for pc how more if ps3 use 8 cores? maybe it just like greed island that you can enter on the console and play in other world hahaha

Last edited by ReverzerO (2009-11-21 11:23:40)

Frazen wrote:

it is not necessarily mean that a console core is equally powerful as the cores use in PC CPUs. yes it is true that the core used in xbox360(only 3 cores) is more powerful than the core use in the CELL (ps3 CPU) but however the core used in the PC and xbox360 is design as a multi-purpose processing core. means, it handles the OS, graphical, audio and physics computing. however the PS3 may have a lesser powerful core but it has 9 cores to be exact. (1 PPE  and 8 SPE).
the PPE or Power Processor Element handles only the OS tasks and most of the application such as web browser, media player and etc.

the 8 SPE or Synergistic Processor Elements are cores that work independently that are primarily designed to handle the more heavier computation (that includes physics engine,audio computation and rendering of some object). each SPE has different purpose that contains different registers. one thing which makes SPE bad thing to  the developers is it lacks of cache which is conventionally use in PC's CPU and instead SPEs use  "Local Store" which is apparently new to the developer and maybe potentially harder to program. the "Local Store" is similar to cache but works in different behavior. (I cannot give a detailed information on how it works. )

sure xbox360 has more powerful core but you need not to forget that the ps3 has 9 cores and combining it isway more powerful than any consoles CPU. like lets put it this way, an xbox core can handle 5 instruction in one sec and ps3's core can handle only 3. the total core for the xbox is 3 so in a sec it can execute 15 instruction while the ps3 has 9 cores and can execute 27 instruction per second.

lol why am I saying this, anyway at least I shared what is really inside on a CELL. bottom line is, CELL has more core than a usual CPU but has lesser power for each core. if you wonder why it is not use in PC, one is it is hell expensive and two it is a customized CPU that is primarily design for game application and Sony has the only right to claim the structure. 


ohh yeah do you know that 8 clustered ps3 is as powerful as SUPER COMPUTER? in fact ps3's CELL is more powerful than intel's i7.

some links to support my claim
http://www.ps3news.com/PlayStation-3/co…i7-965-xe/
http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/12/Supercomputer-at-Home

waw thank for the vital information", honestly im not aware on this matter! however thinking beyond what's happening in the emulation world,  i understood now why my friend said ps3 emulator is dying! apparently compatibility of two different cell are far opposed that takes in ages to perfect or not that perfect although the powerful pc at this age has 4 core. probably in my opinion xbox is easier to emulate compare to ps because xbox and pc have one manufacturer that have not exactly the same bios but the gap is near if i am not mistaken! hope you understand that i think different ways how things happen beyond the surface! i will check those link to assimilate new information", thanks again",

gamer4ever wrote:

this is really funny for me because the ps3 is now considered the most powerful supercom in the world but unlike the wii, and what Nintendo does best, their console breaks down, have really irritating loading times at some of that, why would it have loading times if it's super anyways and have 8 cores working independently? unlike the wii, Nintendo make games with no loading times, console that doesn't have the kind of breaking like the RRoD and more...even first party ps3 games have loading times...

I dunno if your aware w/ this blue ray compression issue and how the BD-player have a slow rate in reading a BD disc.

you really can't blame the processor, I mean what would the processor do if they finish executing the first batch of instructions and yet other part of the instruction are still being read in the disc and are being swap in the RAM?  of course it would need to wait for the data to be ready inside the RAM before executing it.

and to say that all games in ps3  have slow loading, nope. you have the option to install the game and installing the game gives you exact loading time as the xbox360 have. just like tekken 6 and GTIV did.

and actually there is already solution on this slow reading issue. the developers just need to double or triple the data inside the disc and carefully place those data in the appropriate portion of the disc to make sure that when they need the data, they can easily fetch it w/o throughly scanning other portion of the disc. not really efficient use of blue-ray's capacity but that how it goes. I know killzone 2 have short loading time, rachet and clank, uncharted series and valkyria chronicles.  those games use that kind of method.

I dunno w/ ps3 breaking a lot but I know xbox does.

and wii, please don't even mention it.  wii's games are not even a next-gen games  and its CPU used is 3x faster than the ps2 heck it is even using a DVD format which is 32x faster than a blue ray. of course it would perform better. its like running starcraft in my dual core PC.

Last edited by Frazen (2009-11-23 16:48:50)

Frazen wrote:

and wii, please don't even mention it.  wii's games are not even a next-gen games  and its CPU used is 3x faster than the ps2 heck it is even using a DVD format which is 32x faster than a blue ray. of course it would perform better. its like running starcraft in my dual core PC.

not third party, but first party are great, remember twilight princess? it's a high end gamecube game with no loading screens, that's what nintendo does best. and super mario galaxy's amazing graphics with no loading screens, i really really like it.

ReverzerO wrote:

this was funny in your side because probably you haven't tried to play the same game that is been compressed and not! mr. frazen was definitely right on the compression thing. probably again you didn't consider the resolution of game in the ps3 comparing to the resolution of game in the wii and nintendo! the game format of ps3, wii and nintendo was surely different plus how heavy and how the manufacturer work hard for it.

it's like this, if it's a powerful supercom why can't it do a powerful job? all you see is the amazing graphics and not the games, and that's what people think about how powerful the ps3 is, maybe not frazen but certainly you mr reverzero (no offense), well, maybe now they have great games but what about in the past? i don't have grudges with the ps3 now, i even think their prices lowering is a stupid idea, people should understand that what you pay is what you get, people are just hardheaded.

Frazen wrote:

I dunno if your aware w/ this blue ray compression issue and how the BD-player have a slow rate in reading a BD disc.

you really can't blame the processor, I mean what would the processor do if they finish executing the first batch of instructions and yet other part of the instruction are still being read in the disc and are being swap in the RAM?  of course it would need to wait for the data to be ready inside the RAM before executing it.

and to say that all games in ps3  have slow loading, nope. you have the option to install the game and installing the game gives you exact loading time as the xbox360 have. just like tekken 6 and GTIV did.

and actually there is already solution on this slow reading issue. the developers just need to double or triple the data inside the disc and carefully place those data in the appropriate portion of the disc to make sure that when they need the data, they can easily fetch it w/o throughly scanning other portion of the disc. not really efficient use of blue-ray's capacity but that how it goes. I know killzone 2 have short loading time, rachet and clank, uncharted series and valkyria chronicles.  those games use that kind of method.

I dunno w/ ps3 breaking a lot but I know xbox does.

and that's what i mean by nintendo making a good console, have you ever heard of wii breaking? i haven't. and have you seen a loading screen in zelda and super mario? i haven't. And that doesn't mean they are weaker.

ReverzerO wrote:

emmm in my opinion players from ps3 and players from wii and nintendo have different personalities due to it's loading procedure like ps3 players, they have the patience to wait the loading procedure, unlike in wii and nintendo players, they want a fast pop-up menu screen without the loading page and boom head shot haha lol!  nevermind this part  im just dreaming

nope, gamers should have the same views, unlike you which hails ps3 all the way(no offense). i mean i love my wii but i love the xbox 360 also, i maybe dislike the ps3 coz of their unoriginality(not sure if it's a word) but i play it for the games like uncharted. but if it's multiplat i'd play with my xbox 360. i judge by how their games work and how fun they are not who's poweful and who's who, that's just sony talking, taking names and being braggy.

ReverzerO wrote:

well are you only pointing on the loading process that’s why your claiming that ps3 don’t do the powerful job?  Are you claiming that loading was stupid? For my own definition of a good console has game not the supremacy in power . At this rate I’m not on the side of  any consoles.

not really but obviously loading screens are irritating, maybe not the quick loading screens but the long ones, generally. And what I mean is, usually loading screens determine how fast your game and your console interact with each other, pretty much like how loading times on your pc is quicker when it has low memory. And lags when your hard drive is pretty much occupied.

And for the record 6 out of ten best-selling games of all time is not halo, tekken, gta, CoD, nope, it's all the super mario bros. games, that's how good nintendo are, and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the most amazing game ever made, it scored a perfect 10 at ign.com(the most popular game reviewer in america) and none other have ever beaten it. Many games even tried to mimic it, obviously one of them is God of War.

ReverzerO wrote:

it’s advantage that ps3 claim the powerful and the games that I like was it’s properties.  You cannot changes my likes even though you will say such stupid things against ps3. and for your own definition that I hailed with ps3 was wrong. From the start I’m not offended, your offending ps3...

I don't hate ps3, I hate Sony, and maybe it just comes along with it. I don't know if you know this but many people hate sony, not because they are awesome but because they are full of brags, and now they are trying to make a motion controller that almost looks like the wii's controller. Actually, Sony is awesome, but not the gaming division, especially Ken Kutaragi, you're such a fan of the ps3, do you know him? And yes he is a total douchebag.

ReverzerO wrote:

If you read my previous post, you didn't figure out that i'm not aware on the current news about the ps existence. i'm just quite surprised that ps3 has 9 core in total that's why i reacted like from the rural that gave shiver for the upcoming news!  well if you don't like the existence of ps3, just stay with your nintendo, wii and xbox. no will will force you to love ps3 and no one will obstruct you with your consoles. we have different options and tastes. ps3 ruled and that's the reality.

i already fiqured it out, it's not really a news coz it's been in there since the ps3 was made. And no, I won't just stay with one or two console, it's plain biased, but I picked and had my favourites, just like saying CoD is better than Medal of Honor.

ReverzerO wrote:

once again i'm not on the side of any consoles, i'm just waiting for a chance to test them all and give time for it.

uhhmm, correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you post that ps3 is better and things like that?

Last edited by gamer4ever (2009-11-26 05:28:53)

gamer4ever wrote:

I don't hate ps3, I hate Sony, and maybe it just comes along with it. I don't know if you know this but many people hate sony, not because they are awesome but because they are full of brags, and now they are trying to make a motion controller that almost looks like the wii's controller. Actually, Sony is awesome, but not the gaming division, especially Ken Kutaragi, you're such a fan of the ps3, do you know him? And yes he is a total douchebag.

Why would I not know the man behind the ps1.ps2 and ps3 archeticture?  you gotta respect the guy dude, he contributed many things in game console industry alone. I do hope your not forgetting the sound chips he made for nintendo, why game consoles now appreciating the use of CD format instead of traditional cartridge and how he at least help draws more audience in game industry.  sure the guy is arrogant but he isn't famous because of that but because of how he take risk on using technology for the game consoles. BTW ken is no longer the CEO of SCEI, he retired already.

gamer4ever wrote:

and that's what i mean by nintendo making a good console, have you ever heard of wii breaking? i haven't. and have you seen a loading screen in zelda and super mario? i haven't. And that doesn't mean they are weaker.

those game are not next-gen. sure its gameplay is innovative but the development cycle does not apply current trend development cycle.  gives you a hint of what really is a next-gen game.

"High DeF and Online Experience". thats what a next-gen does.

and have you not wonder why nintendo usually release a console for a certain generation and blatantly call it a next-gen where in fact it isnt? they are simply waiting for a good hardware enough to smoothly play the game.  I don't call it great architectural implementation, its called playing safe w/ over-kill hardware for a low-end software.

and I bet you never played some PSN or XBL games which equals last-gen games and those games has no loading time in both xbox and ps3.

gamer4ever wrote:

it's like this, if it's a powerful supercom why can't it do a powerful job? all you see is the amazing graphics and not the games, and that's what people think about how powerful the ps3 is, maybe not frazen but certainly you mr reverzero (no offense), well, maybe now they have great games but what about in the past? i don't have grudges with the ps3 now, i even think their prices lowering is a stupid idea, people should understand that what you pay is what you get, people are just hardheaded.

Okay please don't confuse graphics as image quality alone. when we speak graphics, that includes how much polygons are used in a single object. the more polygon means the more detailed the shape of an object does and that alone is a hell of a process. we all know ps3 games are drawn bigger than the xbox version. how much more when we put 100s of object together w/ applied realistic physics?  The mapping part is mostly done by the GPU. so how is it not a powerful job? and can you please give example of a powerful Job aside the graphic aspect? audio? ps3 has superior audio than any console has.

Last edited by Frazen (2009-11-26 16:22:24)

ReverzerO wrote:

wew ken kuragi is the father of playstation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kutaragi
now he's in my mind and why mr. game4ever called him a total douchebag!

he hypes playstation so much that it has no flaws and end up embarrass when the final result especially in the financial aspect turn out bad. also the guy is the most aggressive of any game company's CEO. you probably gonna hate him for being over-confident.